Re: Gm 7 Elon 12pm Sat Oct 21 Homecoming Family Day
Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:32 am
From Projo.....
Fleming said. “We chose not to do that. Thought it was a safe call, and they got us.”
Lawson had impressed in his first start to that point, filling in for Tyler Harris (finger) with 332 total yards and two touchdown passes. He didn’t see Messer rotate from his linebacker spot out into the flat, and the recent addition to the Buck Buchanan Award watch list showed why he’s regarded as one of the top defensive players in all of FCS. The Phoenix notched a sixth straight single-digit victory and kept pace with defending national champion James Madison atop the CAA standings.
“Went to the well one too many times,” a red-eyed Lawson said. “It bit me in the (backside) in the end.”
Ball was on the 19 yard line with 28 seconds left in the game, 3rd down. 16 yards further back than an Extra Point. A strong wind at the back of Carrick as URI had the wind in the 2nd and 4th Quarters. Would have been a 36 yard field goal attempt for the win over a Top 25 Program at home. For Fleming to say of a pass on 3rd down "Thought it was a safe call", I don't know. Some Head Coaches would look to kick the field goal on 3rd down in case of a bad snap, then get another chance on 4th down. The 36 yard field goal attempt, with wind at the back had to make the difference of 10 yards, making a 36 yard kick more like the equivalent of 26 yards. Going the other way (for Elon) a 36 yard field goal would be more like the equivalent of a 46 yarder or worse.
The safe call would be kick the field goal on 3rd down from the 36 with the strong wind at our back. A safe call would be to run the ball straight ahead, to prevent a loss and possibly break for a gain. Then kick the Field Goal.
Passing you risk:
- a 10 yard holding penalty to protect the QB to throw
- a QB sack taking you further out of field goal territory
- a bobble by the receiver for an interception
- a fumble by the QB on a sack
- an interception
Game over, no field goal attempt
from Bill Koch's article........
Carrick’s missed extra point in the second quarter – his first of the season – wound up the difference in the game, and his 4-for-8 success rate on field goals this season factored into Fleming’s critical decision. An opportunity for redemption never came for either man on this day, as the Rams fell for the 21st straight time against a ranked opponent.
“He’s going to be a good player,” Fleming said. “Missing the extra point early, he had a kickoff out of bounds – there were some things that we were really trying to weigh out.”
The kickoff out of bounds that Fleming refers to was against the wind. Elon's Kicker ALSO kicked out of bounds at the URI 10 yard line. URI Coaching staff chose to take the ball at the 35 yard line instead of having him kick again (rather conservative move I thought at the time for URI). The wind caused the balls to go out of bounds - sure the kicker should compensate for that and kick more to the right, but didn't. So for Fleming to use the Kick out of bounds to be rational for not kicking the potential game winning field goal with 28 seconds to go was weak. Also the fact that he missed his extra point kick after the 2nd TD was weak. I could argue he made 4 extra points. I could argue the miss he had was close AND it was into a strong wind!!! He had the wind at his back for the game winning FG attempt.
Missed extra point (into the wind, plus he made 4 extra points) and the kick off out of bounds were excuses. Fleming and his OC blew it calling for a pass on 3rd down from the 19 yard line. He should have kicked the FG on 3rd down (for possible bad snap) or ran the ball one more time to get slightly better field position. But we never fired the gun, never took the shot in basketball, never attempted the field goal, he made the wrong call. Lawson had a great game up until then. I don't blame him - he was far above what anyone would have expected in his first start ever for URI.
For Fleming to say of Carrick, "He's going to be a good player", then why did you take the opportunity out of his hands (or foot )
In addition,
Fleming said he had already missed an extra point. True his second extra point attempt (into the wind). He made his 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th attempts (so 3 straight). The FG would have been 36 yards if attempted on 3rd down with 28 seconds left. An Extra point is 20 yards. He had a strong wind at his back.
Bill Koch could have followed up with questions like:
1. Did you consider kicking the FG from the 19, with the strong wind at your back on 3rd down? in case of a bad snap you could have another chance?
2. Did you consider Carrick's missed extra point was into the wind and just missed?
3. Did you consider Carrick made 3 straight extra points?
4. Did you consider since Carrick missed the extra point on the 2nd TD that there were 3 more chances where you could have gone for 2 points to potentially tie the game?
5. Why did you not try for 2 points on any of those 3 extra point attempts, especially after the last TD?
6. Looking back would you have done anything different on the 2 point conversions following the 3rd, 4th and especially the 5th TDs?
7. Looking back would you have done anything different on the 3rd down call with 28 seconds to go? If so, what?
And if Bill Koch, or any other reporter, doesn't ask any or all of those 7 questions, Thor should also ask him the same 7 questions and contemplate the responses he receives.
Methinks his Offensive Coordinator position (at least) could warrant an upgrade.
Fleming said. “We chose not to do that. Thought it was a safe call, and they got us.”
Lawson had impressed in his first start to that point, filling in for Tyler Harris (finger) with 332 total yards and two touchdown passes. He didn’t see Messer rotate from his linebacker spot out into the flat, and the recent addition to the Buck Buchanan Award watch list showed why he’s regarded as one of the top defensive players in all of FCS. The Phoenix notched a sixth straight single-digit victory and kept pace with defending national champion James Madison atop the CAA standings.
“Went to the well one too many times,” a red-eyed Lawson said. “It bit me in the (backside) in the end.”
Ball was on the 19 yard line with 28 seconds left in the game, 3rd down. 16 yards further back than an Extra Point. A strong wind at the back of Carrick as URI had the wind in the 2nd and 4th Quarters. Would have been a 36 yard field goal attempt for the win over a Top 25 Program at home. For Fleming to say of a pass on 3rd down "Thought it was a safe call", I don't know. Some Head Coaches would look to kick the field goal on 3rd down in case of a bad snap, then get another chance on 4th down. The 36 yard field goal attempt, with wind at the back had to make the difference of 10 yards, making a 36 yard kick more like the equivalent of 26 yards. Going the other way (for Elon) a 36 yard field goal would be more like the equivalent of a 46 yarder or worse.
The safe call would be kick the field goal on 3rd down from the 36 with the strong wind at our back. A safe call would be to run the ball straight ahead, to prevent a loss and possibly break for a gain. Then kick the Field Goal.
Passing you risk:
- a 10 yard holding penalty to protect the QB to throw
- a QB sack taking you further out of field goal territory
- a bobble by the receiver for an interception
- a fumble by the QB on a sack
- an interception
Game over, no field goal attempt
from Bill Koch's article........
Carrick’s missed extra point in the second quarter – his first of the season – wound up the difference in the game, and his 4-for-8 success rate on field goals this season factored into Fleming’s critical decision. An opportunity for redemption never came for either man on this day, as the Rams fell for the 21st straight time against a ranked opponent.
“He’s going to be a good player,” Fleming said. “Missing the extra point early, he had a kickoff out of bounds – there were some things that we were really trying to weigh out.”
The kickoff out of bounds that Fleming refers to was against the wind. Elon's Kicker ALSO kicked out of bounds at the URI 10 yard line. URI Coaching staff chose to take the ball at the 35 yard line instead of having him kick again (rather conservative move I thought at the time for URI). The wind caused the balls to go out of bounds - sure the kicker should compensate for that and kick more to the right, but didn't. So for Fleming to use the Kick out of bounds to be rational for not kicking the potential game winning field goal with 28 seconds to go was weak. Also the fact that he missed his extra point kick after the 2nd TD was weak. I could argue he made 4 extra points. I could argue the miss he had was close AND it was into a strong wind!!! He had the wind at his back for the game winning FG attempt.
Missed extra point (into the wind, plus he made 4 extra points) and the kick off out of bounds were excuses. Fleming and his OC blew it calling for a pass on 3rd down from the 19 yard line. He should have kicked the FG on 3rd down (for possible bad snap) or ran the ball one more time to get slightly better field position. But we never fired the gun, never took the shot in basketball, never attempted the field goal, he made the wrong call. Lawson had a great game up until then. I don't blame him - he was far above what anyone would have expected in his first start ever for URI.
For Fleming to say of Carrick, "He's going to be a good player", then why did you take the opportunity out of his hands (or foot )
In addition,
Fleming said he had already missed an extra point. True his second extra point attempt (into the wind). He made his 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th attempts (so 3 straight). The FG would have been 36 yards if attempted on 3rd down with 28 seconds left. An Extra point is 20 yards. He had a strong wind at his back.
Bill Koch could have followed up with questions like:
1. Did you consider kicking the FG from the 19, with the strong wind at your back on 3rd down? in case of a bad snap you could have another chance?
2. Did you consider Carrick's missed extra point was into the wind and just missed?
3. Did you consider Carrick made 3 straight extra points?
4. Did you consider since Carrick missed the extra point on the 2nd TD that there were 3 more chances where you could have gone for 2 points to potentially tie the game?
5. Why did you not try for 2 points on any of those 3 extra point attempts, especially after the last TD?
6. Looking back would you have done anything different on the 2 point conversions following the 3rd, 4th and especially the 5th TDs?
7. Looking back would you have done anything different on the 3rd down call with 28 seconds to go? If so, what?
And if Bill Koch, or any other reporter, doesn't ask any or all of those 7 questions, Thor should also ask him the same 7 questions and contemplate the responses he receives.
Methinks his Offensive Coordinator position (at least) could warrant an upgrade.